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By PeteM
#1721101
Why when I look at this am I baffled?

Why make these spaces so ridiculously complicated?

And that I before you start asking the fundamental questions of traffic levels, access etc.

Bloomin heck
By Lefty
#1721102
I can’t believe that any sane human being could propose that as a workable solution.

Sounds like a consultancy looking for ways to write huge justification documents and charge humungous fees.

It would be better to make the whole area class D with enough controllers - with a mandate to grant access to VFR traffic.
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By kanga
#1721109
chevvron wrote:
flybymike wrote:Will it all change again when the Americans move into Fairford?

Er haven't they been there since the early '50s?


USAF has used Fairford as a temporary deployment base, for US-based bombers, since '50s. However

a. fairly recently, it was announced that some units, at least the RC135s and possibly others, now based at Mildenhall, would be moved to Fairford as a new permanent base in near future; but

b. very recently, among the Pentagon budget monies approved by Congress which AIUI the US Courts (possibly still under appeal) have decided the President can divert to purposes other than those which Congress approved, ie the Mexican wall :roll: , monies allocated to many projects in Europe and elsewhere have been diverted. These included monies for infrastructure projects at Fairford. I don't know if this will delay the rebasing. Presumably the bomber deployments will continue as before.

[a permanent USAF aircraft presence might mean a permanent US ATC presence. In my experience US military ATCOs are often very accommodating to transit GA unless there is known immediately conflicting military traffic :thumright: ]

PS 'Prize' for 'Brize' a deliberate pun ? :)
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By xtophe
#1721110
Lefty wrote:It would be better to make the whole area class D with enough controllers - with a mandate to grant access to VFR traffic.


Age old debate.
Less steps/areas for simplicity against less controled airspace

E+ for guaranteed transit vs D with 70/80/90/99% transit and long way round (engine)/potential land-out (no land out) if not.