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Re: FLARM in the UK and Europe
PostPosted:Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:52 pm
by neilmurg
or you could ge...... I'll stop there, you know where it's going
Re: FLARM in the UK and Europe
PostPosted:Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:37 pm
by leemoore1966
@gaznav
Seriously Gaz ?
OK, good post, but can the adults continue discussing the serious legal and moral issues raised earlier ?
Re: FLARM in the UK and Europe
PostPosted:Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:58 pm
by gaznav
Rob P wrote:Gosh Gav!
How come you've never mentioned this unit before?
Rob P
Re: FLARM in the UK and Europe
PostPosted:Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:35 pm
by Full Metal Jackass
Re: FLARM in the UK and Europe
PostPosted:Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:34 pm
by dewidaniels
leemoore1966 wrote:The software for this product has also, extracted and taken without permission, the aircraft database and spoken audio files from PilotAware, and subsequently included into its own product on github - I think taking without permission, is deemed as theft ?
Permission is then granted under its own license, to be used in commercial derivative works
That really is beyond the pale. There's no excuse for stealing someone else's work and passing it off as their own.
Re: FLARM in the UK and Europe
PostPosted:Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:40 pm
by dewidaniels
TexasUK wrote:As far as my personal position on using your files, I don't think I really have one on the data ones he has used. If he had copied some of your code, then that would be a different matter.
I'm sure he can record (or every else can themselves) the appropriate sound files for the position reports, although a bit of a monotonous task. I'm sure someone else will record some and make them available if you were to stop them being used.
I'd have to ask (because I really don't know) where did you get the aircraft data for PAW.db that he has used? I'm guessing that it was freely available from some source, and again I'm sure someone will compile the same info if you were to stop them being used. It seems to have OGN/FLN data in there as well, is there a common source somewhere? OGN is free to use as far as I can tell from the the licence it is under, so long as it is attributed somewhere.
I don't understand the distinction between stealing code and stealing data. It's still plagiarism. If it's that easy to create sound files and collate the aircraft data, why doesn't the SoftRF developer create his own rather than stealing someone else's work? Saying that the PAW.db file was collated from some freely available source is like saying it's OK to copy the Oxford English Dictionary and pass it off as your own work because all the words and their meanings are in the public domain.
Re: FLARM in the UK and Europe
PostPosted:Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:55 am
by stevelup
He deleted all the PAW related stuff yesterday. I guess someone has 'had a word'...
Re: FLARM in the UK and Europe
PostPosted:Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:06 pm
by stevelup
Oh My God...
All he's done is rename the paw.db file to icao.db
MD5 (paw.db) = 4edcdfafb056030955f9b7cee0ba3220
MD5 (icao.db) = 4edcdfafb056030955f9b7cee0ba3220
That is actually even worse because even though what was originally done was done without permission, at least there was an attribution.
Re: FLARM in the UK and Europe
PostPosted:Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:35 pm
by Tim Dawson
I’m sure PilotAware are talking to their lawyers and/or insurers as we speak!
Re: FLARM in the UK and Europe
PostPosted:Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:44 am
by leemoore1966
stevelup wrote:Oh My God...
All he's done is rename the paw.db file to icao.db
MD5 (paw.db) = 4edcdfafb056030955f9b7cee0ba3220
MD5 (icao.db) = 4edcdfafb056030955f9b7cee0ba3220
That is actually even worse because even though what was originally done was done without permission, at least there was an attribution.
Not only that, paw.voices simply renamed google.voices, I asked for them to be removed, I don’t think a rename will suffice
Since they were added, their have been multiple forks of the repository, and who knows how many clone (this is not tracked). Meaning multiple copies everywhere