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Class E Airspace- results of CAA Consultation published

PostPosted:Thu May 16, 2019 11:52 am
by CloudHound

Re: Class E Airspace- results of CAA Consultation published

PostPosted:Thu May 16, 2019 12:06 pm
by Dave W
That could have benefited considerably from an Executive Summary!

Re: Class E Airspace- results of CAA Consultation published

PostPosted:Thu May 16, 2019 12:16 pm
by johnm
The whole document net of appendices is shorter than some management summaries I've been subjected to :roll: The outcome is quite interesting though. The conventional Class E got most support but the CAA are still going with their more complicated option...

Re: Class E Airspace- results of CAA Consultation published

PostPosted:Fri May 17, 2019 3:14 pm
by James Chan
I liked the idea of keeping everything as standard as possible, but I was also aware a couple of handful of states used 2000 as an IFR conspicuity code.... so I didn't have any strong objections if they wanted to adopt it.

One drawback is that it might not actually fix much. Those who already fly "VFR" illegally and remain on 7000 in IMC in Class E airspace would continue to do so.

Re: Class E Airspace- results of CAA Consultation published

PostPosted:Fri May 17, 2019 3:19 pm
by Bathman
So what should someone who is OCAS not talking to anyone in IMC squark?

Re: Class E Airspace- results of CAA Consultation published

PostPosted:Fri May 17, 2019 3:49 pm
by Bathman
johnm wrote:The outcome is quite interesting though. The conventional Class E got most support but the CAA are still going with their more complicated option...


Yes. Makes you wonder why the had a consultation in the first place.

Re: Class E Airspace- results of CAA Consultation published

PostPosted:Fri May 17, 2019 7:12 pm
by GrahamB
Bathman wrote:So what should someone who is OCAS not talking to anyone in IMC squark?

Surely the point is that if in IMC in Class E you are by definition under IFR and therefore not OCAS.

Re: Class E Airspace- results of CAA Consultation published

PostPosted:Fri May 17, 2019 8:34 pm
by Cub
IMHO this is possibly the most significant step towards airspace modernisation we have seen for some time in the UK.

Non complex, non intense IFR operations can be accommodated and safely managed within Class E with coincident TMZ and no impact on VFR GA aircraft operating in VMC and electronically conspicuous.

The other huge benefit of a dedicated VFR conspicuity code is that while an infringement of Class D airspace will remain potentially disruptive because the need to avoid it, I can no longer loose separation with an IFR aircraft because I am not required to separate IFR and VFR in Class D.

Re: Class E Airspace- results of CAA Consultation published

PostPosted:Sat May 18, 2019 2:19 pm
by CloudHound
I’ve banged on about Class E as an enabler for RNAV(GNSS) approach’s in Class G for years. Laughed at sometimes when in meetings.

Re: Class E Airspace- results of CAA Consultation published

PostPosted:Sun May 19, 2019 4:20 pm
by chevvron
CloudHound wrote:I’ve banged on about Class E as an enabler for RNAV(GNSS) approach’s in Class G for years. Laughed at sometimes when in meetings.

Sounds like similar meetings to those I've occasionally attended when discussing operations in Class G.