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PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Wed May 15, 2019 6:27 pm
by bilko2
Can anyone recommend a PC simulator that incorporates the newer fancy PBN GPS?

I expect I will have to replace my venerable 430 soon and I would like to be able to practice.

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Wed May 15, 2019 6:37 pm
by mmcp42
you can do PBN with a 430
even the simulator works (very old, but functional

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Thu May 16, 2019 8:03 am
by Melanie Moxon
X-Plane 11 might support it (there are all sorts of addons out there for it).

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Thu May 16, 2019 8:29 am
by PaulisHome
I've used X-Plane 11. There's a Mooney Ovation model with a GTN750 and a Mooney 201 with a GNS430 (I think). Other types of aircraft exist - I wanted a Mooney since that's what I fly.

It was a very good way of learning to fly PBN. However there are still some differences between the sim and the actual thing - in my case because the coupling with the HSI and autopilot was different. But the GTN750 was a pretty good representation.

Paul

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Thu May 16, 2019 10:35 am
by kanga
Showing my age (again): when I saw the thread title I immediately thought 'Pilatus Britten Norman' :roll:

[oh, and some USN Catalinas were designated 'PBN' rather than 'PBY', IIRC]

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Sun May 19, 2019 10:36 pm
by pete2052
Garmin have a gtn650/750 simulator for pc free on their website which allows you to practice the button pressing... which is what most of it is about.

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Mon May 20, 2019 9:14 am
by CloudHound
Wycombe have a simulator that is fully compliant and is being used as part of their RNP IAP validation process.
http://bookeraviation.aero/commercial-training/new-da42-simulator

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Mon May 20, 2019 12:24 pm
by bilko2
Am I right in thinking that if one is getting a PBN type GPS the Garmin 650 or 750 is the default setting?

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Mon May 20, 2019 4:42 pm
by Lefty
No, the Avidyne 740 & 750 are direct competitors.
If you have an exec jet - (or exec jet pockets), you might choose Rockwell Collins.

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Mon May 20, 2019 6:45 pm
by GrahamB
bilko2 wrote:Can anyone recommend a PC simulator that incorporates the newer fancy PBN GPS?

I expect I will have to replace my venerable 430 soon and I would like to be able to practice.

Which 430 do you have?

Both non-W and W variants are capable of meeting PBN requirements, although the non-W can only meet the most basic RNAV requirements. The W can do RNP-1 and RNP-APR with the relatively inexpensive STC from GAMA. Squeezing a few more years of life from what you have may be a less expensive route than a full replacement.

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Wed May 22, 2019 6:55 pm
by bilko2
I have 430 non-W. I'm aware that it does (very) basic PBN.
I'm also aware of Avidyne 740 & 750 but I noted that no one mentioned it.

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Thu May 23, 2019 9:00 am
by stevelup
If you haven't already, I highly recommend you download and read this:-

https://pplir.org/pbn_manual/

Really though the only thing a GTN can do that even the most ancient 430 can't is RF waypoints, and even then the GTN can only do it in an approved installation with an EHSI.

So whilst you say your 430 is primitive - it's actually adequate.

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Thu May 23, 2019 9:11 am
by GrahamB
stevelup wrote:If you haven't already, I highly recommend you download and read this:-

https://pplir.org/pbn_manual/

Really though the only thing a GTN can do that even the most ancient 430 can't is RF waypoints, and even then the GTN can only do it in an approved installation with an EHSI.

So whilst you say your 430 is primitive - it's actually adequate.

I disagree.

Out of the box, a GTN can do and is approved for 3D (LPV) approaches, which a basic 430 can not do, unless it first upgraded to a W, and then the STC applied. A GTN is RNP approved, so has FDE inbuilt, removing the need for manual RAIM checks which would have to be done on a basic 430.

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Thu May 23, 2019 9:16 am
by stevelup
Sure, I fully accept the lack of LPV. But you don't need that capability to be PBN compliant. Maybe I didn't word it well.

Re: PBN simulator on PC

PostPosted:Thu May 23, 2019 9:20 am
by stevelup
By the way, I wasn't disagreeing with anything you wrote in either of your posts! If it came across that way, that was not my intention.