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Re: Aircraft down nr Abergavenny (12 May)

PostPosted:Mon May 13, 2019 8:45 pm
by tomshep
Oh but we must. If the gear hadn't hung so low down, it wouldn't have collected the cables.
Deathtraps! :lol:

Re: Aircraft down nr Abergavenny (12 May)

PostPosted:Tue May 14, 2019 12:16 am
by cockney steve
Rotten telegraph -pole? - or a very, very strong aeroplane? That's taken one hell of an impact :shock:

Re: Aircraft down nr Abergavenny (12 May)

PostPosted:Tue May 14, 2019 6:47 am
by Ian Melville
Do they still have telegraph in Wales? How quaint :D

As a former telephone pole climber. They don't rot at that height. It could also have been electricity, but with the top missing, I cannot tell for sure. The Google map links, if the correct location, show what looks like 11Kv Electricity.

Re: Aircraft down nr Abergavenny (12 May)

PostPosted:Tue May 14, 2019 7:15 am
by Gustosomerset
"Starr, who was medically discharged with PTSD this year, was in the car with his wife when the aircraft came down. He bolted towards the scene where he found another young man trying to kick through the window of the plane."

If I was driving with my wife and a plane crashed and burst into flames in front of us, would my reaction be to 'bolt towards it'? I'd love to think so, but in all honesty I think it might be to bolt away from it. And if I had a history of PTSD? Who knows, but I feel humbled by that instinctive bravery.

Re: Aircraft down nr Abergavenny (12 May)

PostPosted:Tue May 14, 2019 7:25 am
by cadoganpier
Rob P wrote:Conversely I would expect an earlier rag and tube aircraft to fare considerably better. Certainly in terms of protecting the occupants. In this case at least egress would undoubtedly have been easier

Rob P



How do you work that one out?, a modern aircraft with a built in roll cage with air bags and seats designed to survive a 26G impact is going to fair less well than an old rag and tube plane in a crash. By that logic we would all be better off driving around in old moggie minors rather than modern cars.

Re: Aircraft down nr Abergavenny (12 May)

PostPosted:Tue May 14, 2019 7:44 am
by George
I guess Rob is thinking about his old Colt? :)

When that Tripacer crashed at Popham some years ago I recall how well it survived a basically 400 foot vertical fall.

Re: Aircraft down nr Abergavenny (12 May)

PostPosted:Tue May 14, 2019 8:35 am
by Rob P
What George says. ^^^^

It's merely observed rather than scientific, but I used to fly the Colt so had considerable interest in AAIB reports on the PA22 and it was amazing how well they did protect the occupants in the seemingly most horrendous plummets. I'd guess it's a combination of progressive deformation of the structure and a cruise speed measured with a sundial?

But I was guilty of lack of clarity, the 'better' related to
your average 30 year old Cessna or Piper


Great news that the seats will survive a 26G impact. The beneficiaries of the occupants' wills can probably get something for them on e-bay.

Rob P

Re: Aircraft down nr Abergavenny (12 May)

PostPosted:Tue May 14, 2019 8:51 am
by Nick
Let's hope they put those power lines underground after this.

Nick

Re: Aircraft down nr Abergavenny (12 May)

PostPosted:Tue May 14, 2019 12:30 pm
by Full Metal Jackass
mick w wrote:Looking at the height the Telegraph Pole was chopped off , I very much doubt the Chute fits anywhere in the scenario . :?: :?


Ah, I missed the part where he was departing Abergavenny - has this been confirmed? I thought he had an engine failure at altitude because of

Kittyhawk wrote:SR22T 2-RORO. Departed Denham. From FR24 routed via OX and GST at 2400'. At Monmouth descended to 1500'. Last trace 1100', high ROD just SW of Abergavenny airfield.

Re: Aircraft down nr Abergavenny (12 May)

PostPosted:Tue May 14, 2019 2:21 pm
by Paul_Sengupta
It was in this thread or one of the links where the pilot was quoted as saying he called into Abergavenny to pick up his niece and nephew, IIRC.

Ah yes, here and here.