[kanga]

.. If you care about not flying in a 737 MAX you check when booking. Substitutions of aircraft type do happen, but not all that often.

ISTR the great selling point of the Max to the airlines was to those already operating older 737s that crews would not need any retraining in the air (nor even much if any in the Sim, but only in the classroom) to add it to their existing Type Ratings. There were then, presumably, airlines currently operating only 737s, perhaps only newish ones like -800s, who had plans to operate only Maxs with their promised lower operating costs (a well-known Irish airline, who reportedly hired only those who already had 737 TRs ?); an aircraft substitution would presumably be most likely to another airframe of that airline and of same (sub)type. Therefore, one way to avoid Maxs would presumably be wholly to avoid such airlines. That would be easier for the prospective passenger to understand.

[Rob P]

MODS! We really could do with a headline edit!

[Dave W]

@avtur3 could do that too. What do you want the title to say?

[Rob P]

Not "Another" certainly.

How about "The 737 Max saga" ?

Rob P

[avtur3]

@avtur3 could do that too. What do you want the title to say?

I see it has been edited, before I got chance to try.

Out of interest how does one do that please?

The only 'tool' I can see available is 'delete post'

Thanks

[avtur3]

MODS! We really could do with a headline edit!

In my defence 'your honour' the title seemed appropriate at the time.

Neither I nor anyone else could have predicted how the matter would unfold.

#tailbetweenlegs #I'vebeentold #musttryharder

[Rob P]

It was indeed appropriate at the time.

But the shiver of seeing there'd been yet another one,... Then realisation dawned. Ah it's an old thread

Rob P

[Rob P]

Exhaustive testing prior to recertification

https://simpleflying.com/boeing-737-max ... ification/

Rob P

[MichaelP]

Perhaps next time the victims can be found to be Covid positive?

Unless they fit a bigger tailplane and fix the problem with basic aerodynamics I won’t knowingly get on a Max.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Exhaustive testing prior to recertification

https://simpleflying.com/boeing-737-max ... ification/

Rob P

I'm not reading that specific page as it wants me to spend ten minutes selecting my cookie preferences, and life's too short.

But, I have been thinking exactly that. 10hrs over three days, and announcing that all of the flight testing has been done before any data has been analysed - in an aeroplane whose whole certification has been brought open to question, not just one single sub-system.

This just smacks of business as usual and FAA still being in Boeing's pocket.

G

[kanga]

UK CAA may permit UK airspace flights "for the purposes of essential maintenance or modification". I'm guessing this may mean flights back to US, or to a Boeing-approved European maintenance centre, once a modification scheme has been approved in principle by FAA and EASA and/or CAA. For return to US, presumably RoI and Canada would also have to permit.

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"SD-2020/002: Boeing 737-8 "MAX" and Boeing 737-9 "MAX" Limitation of Operations due to a Fatal Accident in Ethiopia on 10 March 2019

This Safety Directive is made in the interests of continued safety of operation and to protect the public. It supersedes and replaces SD 2019/001, which is revoked, and introduces the possibility for managed ferry flights into, out of, or through UK airspace for the purposes of essential maintenance or modification.

http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/SD2020002 "

[kanga]

Return to FAA Certification reportedly progressing; Gatwick may offer upgraded sims

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53646442

I guess EASA/CAA will have to decide whether sim training will suffice for pilots who already have newer 737 TRs

[riverrock]

Sounds like, despite all of the "fixes" - the Ethiopian crash would still have happened with the proposed fixes in place: https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/23/ ... faa_balpa/
Doesn't look good!

[Charles Hunt]

Improved procedure,

Get the senior flight attendant into the cockpit and have them haul on the trim wheel too.

[Oldfart]

Surely the initial cause of this accident was not MCAS, but the crews failure to retard the thrust levers from TOGA power after take off, until they crashed. Obviously distracted by the erroneous stick shaker at lift off. But really basic airmanship should have kicked in.
Continuous Take Off power, and a light weight aircraft (short sector) is always going to end in tears.