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Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:54 am
by Josh
The Times Magazine article making the same basic misunderstanding of the roots of the problem and reason for MCAS today :wall:

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Wed May 15, 2019 9:20 am
by Dave Phillips
For those of us who are still following the 737 Max saga, there appears to be little cause for optimism within Boeing and the FAA. This could well be their equivalent of Haddon-Cave, the wider review surrounding the RAF’s Nimrod crash in 2006. Importantly, the outcome may well reshape how regulators oversee all aspects of aviation activity. Indeed, we could see a return towards more hands-on and experienced oversight rather than the box-ticking process that has evolved over the past decade.

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Wed May 15, 2019 9:47 am
by johnm
In the US and U.K. especially we are paying a heavy price for allowing too much power and responsibility to be held by political, finance and admin bods with short term goals :(

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Wed May 15, 2019 12:32 pm
by kanga
more apparently well-informed leaks:

"Pilots 'raised Boeing safety fears' months before Ethiopia crash"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48281282

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Thu May 16, 2019 12:48 pm
by kanga
All the fault of undertrained, unskilled, foreign pilots, says Congressman :roll:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... x-crashes/

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Thu May 16, 2019 12:52 pm
by Rob P
Graves was repeating the main points in a report written by two pilots at a major U.S. airline that pointed to pilot error as “the most consequential factor” in both crashes. Their report was commissioned and paid for by institutional investors with large holdings in Boeing stock


Nuff said?

But bloody hard on the crews involved; the guy really needs stringing up, but I guess he is in tune with the zeitgeist of Trump's America

Rob P

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Thu May 16, 2019 1:10 pm
by johnm
Not just Trump's America, that's a pattern of corporate America's relationship with political America over many many years...

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Thu May 16, 2019 9:39 pm
by eltonioni
kanga wrote:All the fault of undertrained, unskilled, foreign pilots, says Congressman :roll:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... x-crashes/


Presumably another 'Merkin with a passport that's only got a Mexico stamp innit.

(These people have aircraft carriers, and jets, and rockets and other bangy stuff y'know)

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Thu May 16, 2019 9:43 pm
by PaulB
Obviously, Boeing bears a lot of responsibility, and it is now facing numerous inquiries, including a criminal one. But the F.A.A. is also culpable, and not just for its hands-off approach during the certification process. After the Lion Air crash, it ordered airlines to change their safety manuals to include more information on the M.C.A.S., but it didn’t insist on Boeing installing an immediate fix to the system. Even after the Ethiopian Airlines crash, it allowed the 737 Max to keep flying until various foreign governments grounded it.


https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-colu ... nd-the-faa

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Thu May 16, 2019 10:24 pm
by kanga
ISTR that after some crashes to USAF Academy Fireflies, Congress required the USAF not only to ground them but actually to scrap and crush them, sending results to landfill, rather than sell them. Some Congressmen insisted the fault had to be in the foreign design, it could not possibly be with the American pilots, despite the fact that many other Air Forces including the nearby RCAF were very happy with them. I've heard it's the only postwar USAF type of which not a single example has been preserved in an official USG Museum.

I rather doubt Congress will be requiring Boeing to crush all the Maxes .. :roll:

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Fri May 17, 2019 5:08 am
by Charles Hunt

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Fri May 17, 2019 8:46 am
by Boxkite
I lasted about 2 seconds on the above BBC link, I can't stand reading anything done in that format.

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Fri May 17, 2019 8:59 am
by joe-fbs
I recommend persisting through the childish layout, I thought that it is an excellent piece.

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Fri May 17, 2019 10:48 am
by Wide-Body
I would second that Joe. An excellent piece of journalism.

Re: Another brand new 737 lost ...

PostPosted:Sat May 18, 2019 9:07 am
by stevelup
If you’re not keen on the layout, engage your browsers ‘reader’ mode (most have one).

It’s well worth reading.