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Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:09 pm
by Iceman
Samedan below mountain tops in IMC is definitely not 'healthy'
.
Iceman
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:10 pm
by Flintstone
will c wrote:I've seen a PC12 after it had hit the end with no snow - there were three ATPLs on board.
Where were they sitting?
I was on a flight a few months ago where, to my knowledge, there were at least 30 ATPLs on board. If you count the licences and not the people there were nearer 50.
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:12 pm
by Flintstone
Iceman wrote:Samedan below mountain tops in IMC is definitely not 'healthy' .
Iceman
Zakkly. So we didn't.
Places like Samedan and watching how quickly the weather changes made me realise just what a specialist job mountain flying is. Certainly not something in which to just dabble occasionally.
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:24 pm
by G-BLEW
It'd be a hoot on private ops but the pressure of being commercial would be a pain
They decided not to make this a regular service
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:34 pm
by GolfHotel
Happy days at Courchevel
(I'm the good looking little one)
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:50 am
by Flyin'Dutch'
I cannot think of his name now but IIRC the tall one was the resident instructor?
Flying in the alps is very interesting, rewarding, challenging and unforgiving.
Used to go regularly, n'est ce pas, Ian?
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:03 am
by MichaelP
‘Went up with a friend in his Malibu Jetprop to calibrate the angle of attack indicator on the Aspen display.
This made his landings on the 500 metre grass strip, and the hot and high 900 metre runway a lot shorter.
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:39 am
by G-BLEW
Flyin'Dutch' wrote:I cannot think of his name now but IIRC the tall one was the resident instructor?
Flying in the alps is very interesting, rewarding, challenging and unforgiving.
Used to go regularly, n'est ce pas, Ian?
Yes, had a lot of fun flying around the Alps a while ago…
The chap who used to run the school at Courchevel was called Robert Christin I think, sadly he died in an accident a while ago.
Ian
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:02 am
by will c
G-BLEW wrote:Flyin'Dutch' wrote:I cannot think of his name now but IIRC the tall one was the resident instructor?
Flying in the alps is very interesting, rewarding, challenging and unforgiving.
Used to go regularly, n'est ce pas, Ian?
Yes, had a lot of fun flying around the Alps a while ago…
The chap who used to run the school at Courchevel was called Robert Christin I think, sadly he died in an accident a while ago.
Ian
Yes the picture is of Robert. The accident was in 2007 and was discussed
here
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:15 pm
by James33
Few facts:
Aircraft based in Orléans
Professional pilot at the controls.
Not the pilot's first landing at Courchevel.
Definitely not a Wingly flight.
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:21 pm
by A le Ron
Is a mountain rating needed for flying into barcelonnette?
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:34 pm
by G-BLEW
A le Ron wrote:Is a mountain rating needed for flying into barcelonnette?
No, but last time I landed there it was a tad turbulent!
Ian
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:52 pm
by Dave W
Last time
I landed* there it was a tad Puma.
Oh, sorry - different Turbulent; we're not referring to types.
*
Talking ballast. Interesting place. Operating out of Gap - we'd actually looked at Courcheval as a potential test site, but logistically it wouldn't have worked.
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:02 pm
by Iceman
What training is involved in getting the full mountain rating ? Having got one, I understand that there are no currency requirements for the rating and no currency requirements for the altiports.
Iceman
Re: PA46 overrun at Courchevel
PostPosted:Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:28 pm
by low&slow
FCL.815 Mountain rating
(a) Privileges. The privileges of the holder of a mountain rating are to conduct flights with aeroplanes or TMG to and from surfaces designated as requiring such a rating by the appropriate authorities designated by the Member States.
The initial mountain rating may be obtained either on:
(1) wheels, to grant the privilege to fly to and from such surfaces when they are not covered by snow; or
(2) skis, to grant the privilege to fly to and from such surfaces when they are covered by snow.
(3) The privileges of the initial rating may be extended to either wheel or ski privileges when the pilot has undertaken an appropriate additional familiarisation course, including theoretical knowledge instruction and flight training, with a mountain flight instructor.
(b) Training course. Applicants for a mountain rating shall have completed, within a period of 24 months, a course of theoretical knowledge instruction and flight training at a DTO or at an ATO. The content of the course shall be appropriate to the privileges of the mountain rating applied for.
(c) Skill test. After the completion of the training, the applicant shall pass a skill test with an FE qualified for this purpose. The skill test shall contain:
(1) a verbal examination of theoretical knowledge;
(2) 6 landings on at least 2 different surfaces designated as requiring a mountain rating other than the surface of departure.
(d) Validity. A mountain rating shall be valid for a period of 24 months.
(e) Revalidation. For revalidation of a mountain rating, the applicant shall:
(1) have completed at least 6 mountain landings in the past 24 months; or
(2) pass a proficiency check. The proficiency check shall comply with the requirements in (c).
(f) Renewal. If the rating has lapsed, the applicant shall comply with the requirement in (e)(2).