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By riverrock
#1656001
GonzoEGLL wrote:The LTC system can handle freecallers too, but in all of these systems it’s easier for the controller to retrieve stored information than create it oneself.

Oh - indeed. Its just in the past, paper strips were quicker to write so it was easier (and quicker) for controllers to handle freecallers.
In the new digital world, it takes controllers longer to tap the relevant info using a digitiser / screen than it did using pen and paper - hence we now need to pre-notify the busier controllers yet London/Scottish Info are able to handle more of us using paper.
At least, that is the complaint / explanation I've heard from a few places about the reluctance to provide services / transits. The new systems are more efficient for coordinated transfers to/from others using the same system (although ones at different locations aren't necessarily joined up) but they are a pain for free callers.

When controllers get rid of an aircraft, they mark who they passed the aircraft to anyway, so they must already have a way to select other units. Surely it couldn't be too difficult to come up with a system to allow electronic handover?

Suggestions have also been made in the past for the systems to pull in VFR flight plans to a unit (so most details are already pre-filled in) or have a tool that pre-populates information (using perhaps Mode-S & RF directional finding could provide most of a pre-filled in "strip" for a free calling aircraft) but AFAIK they didn't go anywhere.
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By Mike Tango
#1656030
stevelup wrote:Never going to happen in this backwater country...


There is a more integrated NATS system coming, albeit it's a number of years away yet.

The main ANSP isn't backwards/backwater, it's actually quite forward thinking and innovative in many respects. It's the funding model and the priorities placed upon it by the politicos that have resulted in the system as is, where service to the airlines is all that really matters.
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By GonzoEGLL
#1656037
Mike Tango wrote:
stevelup wrote:Never going to happen in this backwater country...


There is a more integrated NATS system coming, albeit it's a number of years away yet.

The main ANSP isn't backwards/backwater, it's actually quite forward thinking and innovative in many respects. It's the funding model and the priorities placed upon it by the politicos that have resulted in the system as is, where service to the airlines is all that really matters.


Agreed.

Add in the complication of the myriad of ANSPs out there (over 60 at last count?), and the fact that many (most) airports don't have the money, nor the motivation, to purchase/maintain electronic strip systems and update/link them to other, competitor airports and the ACC.
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