[ianfallon]

Congrats

[TopCat]

And unfortunately the 6 & 7 are not cleared for flicks and spinning which rather restricts them for competition, but no problem in a 4 or 8 (or a 3).
6 & 7 are still fun to turn upside down though!

Flicks only arrive at "Intermediate" you can always just not fly the spin, and fly everything else.

My flying has been aeros-free for quite a lot of years, but I'm curious... is it prudent to fly aeros in an aircraft not cleared for spinning?

[Maxthelion]

Thanks Ian!

[davef77]

The British Aerobatics Association judges and the contest director are also a great bunch of people. Chris Sills (CD) is an awesome guy and probably deserves a medal and some free therapy for making it all happen and not being driven mad by me and others with constant questions and general effing about.

Actually Chris has won the "Best CD" trophy for his work at the Nationals, in past years

[Maxthelion]

It's prudent to know about your aeroplane before aerobatting it - I say this because although the LAA doesn't clear the 6 or 7 for spinning, they spin very well in American air, and each invidual 6 and 7 aircraft is also spun as part of the LAA aeros clearance process, despite the fact it will never be allowed to spin again. This makes the weak link the pilot rather than the aeroplane, and it's the pilot who should be happy spinning, preferably in an RV-8 (an RV-4 would also do, but it's not cleared for aeros two-up).

[Rob P]

... Is it prudent to fly aeros in an aircraft not cleared for spinning?

It's not cleared in the UK for INTENTIONAL spinning, but it spins and recovers beautifully. There really is no need to sweat this.

Rob P

[davef77]

And unfortunately the 6 & 7 are not cleared for flicks and spinning which rather restricts them for competition, but no problem in a 4 or 8 (or a 3).
6 & 7 are still fun to turn upside down though!

Flicks only arrive at "Intermediate" you can always just not fly the spin, and fly everything else.

My flying has been aeros-free for quite a lot of years, but I'm curious... is it prudent to fly aeros in an aircraft not cleared for spinning?

Fair point, but personal choice I guess, people do.

My point was that if your fly aeros in your 6 or 7, I don't see a barrier to flying in competition.

I will shut up on this topic now because I don't think that I am qualified to comment on it and I see more informed people have piped-up

[ianfallon]

RV4 Va 118 kts according to this

http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/181%20VANS%20RV4.pdf

Really not a problem as it will pretty much loop and roll from level at that speed

[TopCat]

Flicks only arrive at "Intermediate" you can always just not fly the spin, and fly everything else.

My flying has been aeros-free for quite a lot of years, but I'm curious... is it prudent to fly aeros in an aircraft not cleared for spinning?

Fair point, but personal choice I guess, people do.

My point was that if your fly aeros in your 6 or 7, I don't see a barrier to flying in competition.

I will shut up on this topic now because I don't think that I am qualified to comment on it and I see more informed people have piped-up

I'm not at all making a point, much less sweating it as Rob suggests.

Just curious.

[ianfallon]

You can aero an RV4 2-up; your passenger just needs to be very light

[Maxthelion]

Also, as Rob has already alluded to - if the 6/7 is anything like the 8, then if you have the self-discipline to just let go of everything then it will recover all by its self. The 8 spins very nicely and recovers very precisley, and nearly always exactly on the desired heading, but just sometimes about 45 degrees off, such as on Fridays near Peterborough.

[Bill McCarthy]

Remind me not to buy an RV that has been recklessly thrown about the sky!

[Maxthelion]

TBH, there are bulletins out for all the weak points and as long as you get whatever you're thinking of buying checked out properly by somebody who knows what to look for (like you would with any aircraft purchase) then you'll be fine. I don't buy aircraft with an eye on how they've been flown (how would you know for sure anyway?). I buy aircraft based on their condition on the day I or someone I trust inspects them, and their documented history.

[Rob P]

Remind me not to buy an RV that has been recklessly thrown about the sky!

Remind me what is so great about dying in a hospice?

Rob P

[tomshep]

Very well Done. Congratulations!