[Europaul383]

The answer seems to be in legalapproach's post on page 1 of this thread from a while ago:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=81613

Sorry Dave, no longer the case. That quote is from the ANO 2009 (as amended in 2010, 2012 & (not relevant to a post in Feb 2013) 2014).

ANO 2015 still contained Article 134 "Prohibition on carrying on board sporting weapons or munitions of war", but ANO 2016 cedes much of its regulation to EASA Ops Part-NCO (for EASA aircraft).

EASA only mentions sporting weapons in CAT:

Carriage of sporting weapons and ammunition
(a) The operator shall take all reasonable measures to ensure that any sporting weapons intended to
be carried by air are reported to the operator.
(b) The operator accepting the carriage of sporting weapons shall ensure that they are:
(1) stowed in the aircraft in a place that is inaccessible to passengers during flight; and
(2) in the case of firearms or other weapons that can contain ammunition, unloaded.
(c) Ammunition for sporting weapons may be carried in passengers’ checked baggage, subject to certain limitations, in accordance with the technical instructions.

or Specialised Operations:

Carriage and use of weapons
(a) The pilot-in-command shall ensure that, when weapons are carried on a flight for the purpose of a specialised task, these are secured when not in use.
(b) The task specialist using the weapon shall take all necessary measures to prevent the aircraft and persons on board or on the ground from being endangered.

And

Carriage and use of weapons
(a) The operator shall ensure that, when weapons are carried on a flight for the purpose of a specialised task, these are secured when not in use.
(b) The task specialist using the weapon shall take all necessary measures to prevent the aircraft and persons on board or on the ground from being endangered.

All the ANO 2016 says on the matter now (as quoted by Artschool on Page 1 of this thread) is in PART 5 CHAPTER 5:

Carriage of weapons and of munitions of war – requirement for permission and for pilot in command to be informed

98.—(1) This article applies to a non-EASA aircraft.

(2) Subject to article 100(1) and (3), an aircraft must not carry any munition of war unless—

(a) the munition of war is carried with the permission of the CAA; and
(b) the pilot in command of the aircraft is informed in writing by the operator before the flight commences of the type, weight or quantity and location of any munition of war on board or suspended beneath the aircraft and any conditions of the permission of the CAA.
(3) Subject to article 100(2) and (3), it is unlawful for an aircraft to carry any sporting weapon or munition of war unless it is stowed in the aircraft in a place that is inaccessible to passengers during flight.

Prohibition on carrying on board sporting weapons or munitions of war

99.—(1) Subject to article 100(2) and (3), it is unlawful for a person to carry or have in their possession or take or cause to be taken on board an aircraft, to suspend or cause to be suspended beneath an aircraft or to deliver or cause to be delivered for carriage on an aircraft any sporting weapon or munition of war unless the provisions of paragraph (2) are complied with.

(2) The provisions referred to in paragraph (1) are that—

(a) the sporting weapon or munition of war—
(i) is either part of the baggage of a passenger on the aircraft or consigned as cargo;
(ii) is stowed in the aircraft in a place that is inaccessible to passengers during flight; and
(iii) in the case of a firearm, is unloaded;
(b) information about the sporting weapon or munition of war has been supplied by that passenger or by the consignor to the operator before the flight commences; and
(c) the operator consents to the carriage of such sporting weapon or munition of war by the aircraft.

then goes on to exempt when flying under police air operator’s certificate.

Phew! Blimey. Sorry. Hope this helps.

[Dave W]

Should have known; the bureaucratic World has turned a few times since then! Thanks.

[Miscellaneous]

As not so sweet Caroline is presently unleashing I'd imagine many deer would presently take the option of being shot!

[Lockhaven]

The answer seems to be in legalapproach's post on page 1 of this thread from a while ago:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=81613

Sorry Dave, no longer the case. That quote is from the ANO 2009 (as amended in 2010, 2012 & (not relevant to a post in Feb 2013) 2014).

ANO 2015 still contained Article 134 "Prohibition on carrying on board sporting weapons or munitions of war", but ANO 2016 cedes much of its regulation to EASA Ops Part-NCO (for EASA aircraft).

EASA only mentions sporting weapons in CAT:

Carriage of sporting weapons and ammunition
(a) The operator shall take all reasonable measures to ensure that any sporting weapons intended to
be carried by air are reported to the operator.
(b) The operator accepting the carriage of sporting weapons shall ensure that they are:
(1) stowed in the aircraft in a place that is inaccessible to passengers during flight; and
(2) in the case of firearms or other weapons that can contain ammunition, unloaded.
(c) Ammunition for sporting weapons may be carried in passengers’ checked baggage, subject to certain limitations, in accordance with the technical instructions.

or Specialised Operations:

Carriage and use of weapons
(a) The pilot-in-command shall ensure that, when weapons are carried on a flight for the purpose of a specialised task, these are secured when not in use.
(b) The task specialist using the weapon shall take all necessary measures to prevent the aircraft and persons on board or on the ground from being endangered.

And

Carriage and use of weapons
(a) The operator shall ensure that, when weapons are carried on a flight for the purpose of a specialised task, these are secured when not in use.
(b) The task specialist using the weapon shall take all necessary measures to prevent the aircraft and persons on board or on the ground from being endangered.

All the ANO 2016 says on the matter now (as quoted by Artschool on Page 1 of this thread) is in PART 5 CHAPTER 5:

Carriage of weapons and of munitions of war – requirement for permission and for pilot in command to be informed

98.—(1) This article applies to a non-EASA aircraft.

(2) Subject to article 100(1) and (3), an aircraft must not carry any munition of war unless—

(a) the munition of war is carried with the permission of the CAA; and
(b) the pilot in command of the aircraft is informed in writing by the operator before the flight commences of the type, weight or quantity and location of any munition of war on board or suspended beneath the aircraft and any conditions of the permission of the CAA.
(3) Subject to article 100(2) and (3), it is unlawful for an aircraft to carry any sporting weapon or munition of war unless it is stowed in the aircraft in a place that is inaccessible to passengers during flight.

Prohibition on carrying on board sporting weapons or munitions of war

99.—(1) Subject to article 100(2) and (3), it is unlawful for a person to carry or have in their possession or take or cause to be taken on board an aircraft, to suspend or cause to be suspended beneath an aircraft or to deliver or cause to be delivered for carriage on an aircraft any sporting weapon or munition of war unless the provisions of paragraph (2) are complied with.

(2) The provisions referred to in paragraph (1) are that—

(a) the sporting weapon or munition of war—
(i) is either part of the baggage of a passenger on the aircraft or consigned as cargo;
(ii) is stowed in the aircraft in a place that is inaccessible to passengers during flight; and
(iii) in the case of a firearm, is unloaded;
(b) information about the sporting weapon or munition of war has been supplied by that passenger or by the consignor to the operator before the flight commences; and
(c) the operator consents to the carriage of such sporting weapon or munition of war by the aircraft.

then goes on to exempt when flying under police air operator’s certificate.

Phew! Blimey. Sorry. Hope this helps.

The above is all to do with commercial air transport, i.e. you pitching up at an airport for an airline flight or if you have chartered a private aircraft.

For your own aircraft.

1. Its a sporting weapon, not a weapon of war.
2. You may not have a cargo area in your light aircraft, so put it in the most suitable place.
3. Its in its box or gun slip, of course unloaded, basic safety.
4. If you are the aircraft owner i.e operator then you give yourself consent/permission of carriage, you are also the pilot in command so you give yourself consent/permission and you know were its loaded of stored.
5. You have supplied yourself with information about the weapon before flight as the consignor/operator before flight.

I have been carrying my own weapons in my own aircraft and other privately owned aircraft for the last 20 years without any issue, even to a couple of high profile military airfields.

1. If travelling to the Chanel Islands, Isle of Man or Ireland inform Special Branch they may come and inspect the weapons and your licence.,
2. If travelling to Europe have your international licence available for inspection by customs.
3. If travelling within UK just get on with it.

Its all very simple, don't over complete things.

[Chris Martyr]

The OP had a genuine question; poorly put but genuine nonetheless. Let's not get into the other arguments, please.

Rob L

Hear Hear ! Well said Rob. [ where's that "Like" button gone]

[African Skies]

These sorts of people (Deer Stalkers, Game Shooters, Fox Hunters, etc) always seem to try and justify their blood lust by claiming they're providing a service to the world or their quarry species. Get over it, you're not!

Iceman, Russ_H

[Miscellaneous]

Really, so you deny any need to cull deer, or that they will be slaughtered one way or the other for the table?

FIY I have no desire to kill deer, or indeed to shoot at any target.

[johnm]

In some cases it’s a service to the world by replacing extinct predators, in other cases it’s a fun way of getting decent meat onto my plate

If OP wants to use his aeroplane to transport his guns to the site, then the sensible simple advice from Lockhaven above can be followed.

[Crash one]

Whatever you eat has to die, even bushes if you are so inclined!
Humans are designed as omnivorous.
If everyone only ate vegetation we would soon be overrun by animals of all kinds and unable to survive, because they don't have such scruples.
Darwin again innit?
What this has to do with the legalities of carrying weapons in aircraft escapes my comprehension.

[Lockhaven]

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[lobstaboy]

If everyone only ate vegetation we would soon be overrun by animals of all kinds and unable to survive, because they don't have such scruples.

I've deliberately kept away from this thread for reasons I mentioned earlier.
But I read a few recent posts.
This gets my vote for the dumbest contribution so far. I'm sorry Crash, but really I think you need to reflect on that a little!
And, no,it's got nothing to do with Darwin.

[The Admin Team]

.Think all points of view have been shared.

The OP's question was answered.

If anyone has a particular great contribution to make feel free to send us a PM, but for now we can let this one rest for a bit.