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#1590193
@r_w_walker when you meet your legal representitives, you need to stress that you want accurate indications of costs, probabilities of success and what costs can be recovered and any potential damages that could be claimed.

I suspect this isn't going to be a clean fight, otherwise you wouldn't be having it!

I'd also suggest doing background research on the council officers involved and any links they may have to any of the objectors.

Like poker, Law is as much about bluff, lying and hiding the truth.
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By PeteSpencer
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#1590195
Bit harsh, Frank:
Have you followed Bob's trials and tribulations over the years?
And written in in support of him?

My understanding of 'crowd funding' (and I've crowed funded) is the emphasis on the word 'crowd': small amounts of cash by many people :
Not five figure sums by a few.

Peter :wink:
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By Flyin'Dutch'
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#1590199
PeteSpencer wrote:Bit harsh, Frank:

Peter :wink:


Maybe.

But we get people on here moaning about how they have been 'ripped off' for paying £2.50 for a coffee, or that something that they bought from a forumite was not as described so have a fair idea where people's pain threshold is.

I also know that fighting planners isn't cheap and that the crowd is not going to be big.

So divide that big money amount by the small crowd number and I suspect you get something considerably bigger than £2.50.

The Plymouth people managed to get £21k from 244 supporters - that is for a large airport with many potential benefactors including local business and a positive lot os´f support from the locals.............
By cockney steve
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These planning issues are not new. There must be a Solicitor /Barrister with some expertise in this specialised niche. It's worth seeking them out and using them. Often their reputation precedes them and an opposing Legal representative will advise their client to back -out gracefully. (not wishing to be made to look foolish and ill- prepared.)

Private Eye has often mentioned " Carter- Ruck" (Second name invariably spelt with an "F" ) Who, purportedly, charge such eye-watering fees that opposing litigants either throw in the towel or focus their efforts on a quick and less- painful out-of-Court settlement.

Tudor Owen is an Aviator, (found on "the dark side" as "Flying Lawyer ) Unfortunately, he's now a Judge and is somewhat more circumspect when posting. There's a possibility he may know a "good egg" and respond to a PM, though. :wink: Nothing ventured........
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By PeteSpencer
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#1590217
I have much sympathy with rh walkers situation: The constant shifting of the planning goalposts, the introduction of clearly trivial stumbling points etc.

It chimes with my efforts to get planning consent for our newbuild four years ago when every neighbour and his brother shoved in objections citing wholesale massacre of schoolchildren on the opposite side of the road , flooding (we're virtually on the top of a hill almost the highest point around), greed ' he's only in it for the money', stealing my light (inadmissible) etc etc.

Quite apart from rhw getting his farmstrip I'd like to see the devious planners defeated on principle.

Peter
#1590228
I would be up for a crowd funding effort.
There is a recently established farm strip near Forfar that is within 200 metres of a wildlife sanctuary.
No effect on the wildlife at all.
The strip I am based at has no problems with wildlife, or the reverse, buzzards nesting under the downwind etc.
I wish the planners could be more honest and work to facts rather than nimby lies.
Much sympathy.
By r_w_walker
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My crowd funding page is not live yet but I have already got 10 people who are not on this forum, not pilots, not involved in aviation who will contribute,

I do not want anybody to pledge significant amounts that they can not afford to donate.

The project will hopefully appeal to people who are not engaged in general aviation but will support the principles behind the project.

A lot of people are aggrieved by the planning system in this country.

There will be some small rewards on offer to encourage people to donate.

A big thank you to the forum members who have said they will contribute, just need all the others to join in.

You may never want to fly into a farm strip, but pilots from farm strips are helping to keep bigger airfields open by flying in for fuel or food.

If the planners judgement stands it could be used against any other new or existing airfields.

We need a larger network of facilities large and small to keep GA alive.
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#1590284
Bill McCarthy wrote:If it has not been previously mentioned, put the buzz round that if the application fails the site will be used for a 3000 home social housing development !


threaten to rent it to **** mught open a few eyes!
By r_w_walker
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Steady, I have close neighbors who have not objected.

No intention of doing anything other than was stated in my letter to them in 2013 which is posted on the farms website.

I asked one of them today if he had noticed the 40 flights in the last year.

No he had not and he is only half a mile away, raising pheasants.

He also agreed to chip in to the crowd fund.
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When the crowd funding site is up, would you either start a new thread or change the title, then we can spot it, spread the news and contribute.

We have a threat from houses by us in Harrogate - a combination of living in a rotten borough and marauding speculators.

May yet gift my 2 acres to the King of the Gypsies.... :clown:
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