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By AdamFrisch
#1498605
Well, after a long, grueling two year quagmire of equal measures technical problems as well as molasses-like pace, my old Turbo Commander 680V has now flown! Here's the story:

Hitched a ride in my friend Steve’s beautiful all-done-up G1000 Turbo Commander 980 up to Stockton and to the mechanic to see my old heap. Instructor was driving up from LA to help with final test flights before we could start training. But because he’d left his phone at a restaurant stop and had to return for it, he got there too late to do a test flight that afternoon. Sigh. So we stayed the night. All we were going to do was an idle fuel flow test flight to see that she behaved, maybe adjust FF’s slightly, and then head for LA to start the training. What could possibly go wrong?

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Anyway, we stayed the night and morning after there was of course pesky ground fog. After that had lifted, we did a high speed taxi, which went OK, but on the squirrely side. Anyway, it was time for the first flight in a long time and I was rather excited. Instructor took off with mechanic in co-pilot seat, did a right turning climb up to 10500ft. Plane behaved well on climb and cruise (except for the ratty old radios that are garbled and bleed between freq a lot).

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Temps, FF etc all good, but when it came to check what we came for, the idle fuel flows, it kind of went south. You’re supposed to retard power to the stop (before the gate that takes them into reverse) and hold 120kts, gear out, full flaps and note the descent rate, hp and FF’s. We were descending 2500ft/min with FF too high and engines producing too much power. It should be around 1500ft/min. On top of that, she wanted to bank right, which means the left engine was producing too much power or the right one not enough. On the ground again, Morris the mechanic turned up the right engine 5 clicks, and the left down 1 clicks. Next test flight the IFF’s were worse and we were now descending 2700ft/min. So something wasn’t right. She also idled high on the ground and instructor had to ride her well into beta to not become a juggernaut. And the landings were “sporty”, as she squirreled and stopped flying when power rolled off.

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So back in hangar to check blade angles again. Somehow they’d changed with all the rigging. But by that time we were out of daylight and Morris was eager to get home to dinner. I had a friend over from Sweden waiting for me at my home, as well as my little 4 month old, so was really under pressure to get the old girl back to LA. Just frustrating, making excuses to my friend and my wife. But there we were, staying another night at a **** motel (Stockton really makes Milton Keynes feel like Paris..). New test flight in morning, but will probably have to redo the fuel settings, governor adjustments again as with the new blade angles, everything that end is probably out of whack.

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Next day, we test fly and lo and behold, almost everything lines up and works good. FF’s, torque, rpm’s. When we do the IFF test, she descends 1800ft/min and has no tendency to yaw or turn. Great! Morris is happy with that, we file a flight plan and for the first time in almost 2 years, I get to sit left seat and fly. I was a very happy guy. But it also highlighted some things that needed doing sooner rather than later…

The positive was that she flies nice and smooth, produces a lot of power and the engines start very cool and nice, so that’s good. They spin up in about 30 seconds or less, which is very fast for Garretts. Stable as can be. We burned 59gal/hr going back, averaging about 235ktas at 17000ft. Couldn’t really go much higher with the pressurization problem (more below), otherwise I think we would have been able to see 250ktas and about 55gal/hr. I even managed to almost grease my first landing back at Chino! Had minor streaking on left nacelle below intake after landing. Didn’t feel like oil, more like graphite or something. Heart sank a bit, until we figured out that it was just some residue inside the bleed air lines that heat the engine intake. I’d put them on going through some clouds on way down. Phew, very thankful it was not a seal or something in engine. Will have it checked.

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But the panel is a disaster. Unfortunately my plan of flying her for a few months and then do the panel next year will probably not work. She needs to go in for panel and avionics work sooner rather than later, or else I’ll go nuts. As it is now, only the backup GS/VOR works and can track anything (and it’s ancient), and since there’s no legal GPS in it, I can not do any serious IFR. At best I could transit a layer, or maybe do an ILS if I was vectored to it, but that’s about as comfortable I’d feel about it. And you hear the LOC identifier morse code on every freq in the background – still haven’t figured out how to shut that off. Only way to shut the noise up is to turn the VOR/LOC off on the head which does wonders for your ILS approaches to minimas.. :shock: Also, pressurization isn’t going much above 2psi, so there are obviously some other leaks we have not yet found. All off this can of course be fixed – and will be fixed – it’s just frustrating after so much time to have to go pretty much straight back into a shop for panel etc.

But hey, it’s not like I haven’t been here before! :? All in all a happy beginning!

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By AdamFrisch
#1498607
Now done 3 days of training in her. I'm all new to turbines, so that part has been the most steep. Systems and understanding them. Thankfully having had a Commander before I didn't need to learn the quirky nose wheel steering all over again, so that saved little bit of time.

But, she's a big pussycat like all Commanders. Stalls straight ahead with just a shudder, lands slow and gentle and easy to fly on one engine. In fact, I was surprised how damn fast the feathered engine stopped windmilling - felt a lot shorter than on the pistons I come from. Goes from full power to shut down in an instant. Likewise the startup is also quick.

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Last session we did short fields, and I'm proud to say I can now get her stopped in under 2000ft. We flew into Corona, which has a 3200ft rwy and that was no problem performance-wise. For takeoff I would not want to be much shorter than 3000ft, though. At least not in the beginning like this. I've heard guys who are based at 2000ft strips, but that shave is a little too close for me.

An annoying LOC problem with my HSI has prevented me from finalizing training, as instructor wants me to do single engine ILS approach. But it's getting fixed now. Hopefully by next week I should be all signed off and back at home base. Can't wait to go flying all by myself without having to "perform" and just enjoy it.

She burns about 70gal/hr down low, 55-60gal/hr up high. At $2-3.00 gal here in CA, she actually costs less than my piston Aerostar per hour in fuel per nm.
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By AdamFrisch
#1498675
I knew you'd enjoy my slow succumb into ruin... :mrgreen:

It has been expensive of course, but perhaps a lot less so than expected, truthfully. Less than $200K all in. The only really expensive items on these are engines and fuel control units, so as long as that doesn't break (fingers crossed), I don't foresee any conniption-inducing costs. Everything else is about the same as on any other old twin.
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By Rob L
#1498757
AdamFrisch wrote:.... In fact, I was surprised how damn fast the feathered engine stopped windmilling -


No surprise, shirley Adam...we've all seen the Bob Hoover videos.

Nice report.

Rob
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By BlackheathBloke
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#1498784
Nice work, you have the patience of a saint! 8)

I do see a little bit of Howard Hughes in you, California's newest avaiation benefactor :D
By Bobcro
#1499011
Great post Adam and like many others who wish you well I love to read your reports as you really are a trooper for attempting to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and a perrenial glutton for fiscal punishment, join the club. The maintenance and avionics shops will give you a really warm welcome.

The pressurisation problem could be leaks from the floor as unlike the Cessna and Beech the AC and Piper the pressure hull is the floor. Check the cockpit floor and don't let wimin in wearing high heels. If she's been a smoker then check the outflow valves as well.

I am not a doomsayer but you may have problems integrating the newest avionics with an old autopilot system. Think: The old telex system wouldn't talk to the CP/M 3.0 Amstrad.

With your beloved Aerostar I think that you spent $140,000 on the upgrade and eventually sold her for much the same amount. Now you've moved up a category I think that the $200,000 that Fly by Mike mentioned is about right for the next phase/6 months.

Do keep us all regularly updated for it's only money.