[Ibra]

Apparently we should not do standard OHJ at 2000ft agl over North Weald (EGSX)

https://airspacesafety.com/hot-spot-nar ... ration-a5/





Apparently, 10% of UK CAS infringements and 50% of Stansted CTR infringement are from overhead joiners who can't read maps

No excuses, it's a wild world out there

[skydriller]

Apparently, 10% of UK CAS infringements and 50% of Stansted CTR infringement are from overhead joiners who can't read maps

Or is it they they can't use QNH...

Regards, SD..

[Ibra]

Or is it they they can't use QNH

Sad to see someone naively flying on “QFE+OHJ on stopwatch+compass” who end up with sanctions or losing his licence on first years over few “avoidable infringements”. Life is so harsh and unfair, starting with airspace design and service provision, but again there are better choices and tools that makes flying easier

I am sure someone from “GA causal factors” has some data regarding “OHJ + QFE - GPS” straight into 1500ft/2500ft AMSL airspace in London

[TopCat]

Or is it they they can't use QNH

Sad to see someone naively flying on “QFE+OHJ on stopwatch+compass” who end up with sanctions

Might be sad, but no recent PPL, let alone anyone else, should be flying anywhere these days without taking the trouble to read joining details for aerodromes they fly to.

North Weald of all places is slap bang in the middle of all kinds of CAS. I don't care how recent or experienced a PPL is, not knowing how places expect you to join is not excusable, especially as information is so easy to come by nowadays.

I went to North Weald recently for the first time in many years - I've been flying for over 30 years and I wouldn't take it lightly.

[T67M]

A good briefing before arriving at an airfield is essential. What irks me is the growing number of airfields where the AIP entry doesn't contain all the required information and you have to read through a badly design website, peer intently at SkyDemon, and dance three times around the maypole before you have all the required information.

The AIP should be the ONLY place you need to look for ALL of the required information, and when procedures change, it should be the second place that the updates appear. The first place should be a NOTAM.

[Cub]

You could spend a long time looking for the AIP entry for North Weald.

Maybe time to require busy, complex aerodromes, located in challenging airspace and hosting multiple categories of commercial operations to be subject to a level of audit and oversight which at least means they require an AIP entry?

[Flyin'Dutch']

I am subbed to some other non-uk aviation forums.

Occasionally there is a 10 post discussion on joining procedures.

Never a multi-pager, let alone once every few months.

There must be a reason....

[GrahamB]

I am subbed to some other non-uk aviation forums.

Occasionally there is a 10 post discussion on joining procedures.

Never a multi-pager, let alone once every few months.

There must be a reason....

Probably because some people just can’t accept that the OHJ is here to stay, and if taught, understood and flown properly it’s a safe and suitable option for joining the circuit at a busy airfield.

[Rob P V2.0]

I'm never quite clear what is "safe" about an OHJ. But then with fewer than fifty days left of my flying life remaining I don't really have the motivation to try, yet again, to understand.

Rob P V2.0

[GrahamB]

Thank you for proving my point.

[Flyin'Dutch']

Probably because some people just can’t accept that the OHJ is here to stay, and if taught, understood and flown properly it’s a safe and suitable option for joining the circuit at a busy airfield.

There are many things that can be said about the OHJ.

However not that it is safe.

That is the one thing it very much isn't.

[GrahamB]

I'll leave it to you to provide the evidence that it isn't as safe as any other method.

[Ibra]

Safe? well it depends: one old grumpy AFIS in Elstree (Mick? or Mike? he is no longer there) who called on radio insisting that one should do OHJ instead or calling straight-in long final

It was a cloudy day with OVC007, no one was in circuit, so there I was at 2000ft AGL inside clouds, calling "overhead, deadside, downwind..." to make one for him (using GPS) before flying long straight-in final again, I still got asked to come to the tower to explain

That's how my bad relationship with OHJ started

[Rob P V2.0]

I'll leave it to you to provide the evidence that it isn't as safe as any other method.

So suddenly it isn't "safe" anymore, just "as safe as any other", so there is no reason to prefer it to any other.

Glad we have that sorted.

Rob P V2.0

[Boxkite]

I am subbed to some other non-uk aviation forums.

Occasionally there is a 10 post discussion on joining procedures.

Never a multi-pager, let alone once every few months.

There must be a reason....

Yes, most threads descend to either nostalgia or total thread drift....