Cockpit video of A380 landing at SFO

[PaulB]

This has probably been posted before so I apologise in advance, but I've only just seen it.....

[PaulB]

In the video, the A380 is cleared to land on 28R. Shortly after an aircraft is cleared to take off on 01R. You can see it on its take off roll pass infront of the A380. Would that happen in the UK?

[Flintstone]

Land And Hold Short Operations (LAHSO)? I've not watched the video. http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/lahso.html

Not much call for it round these parts.

[BobM]

I think all UK operators are banned from LAHSO ops in the USA,
CAP 789

19.2 The CAA does not approve UK operators to participate in LAHSO. The CAA is not
aware of any non-US operators who have met the FAA requirements for a Part 129
approval to participate in LAHSO. Therefore, if such a clearance is offered the crew
should decline unless, in the best judgement of the commander, safety would be
jeopardised. Furthermore, crews should be aware that the white strobe lights used
to indicate the hold short point would remain on even if a particular aircraft is not
required to hold short. The comments section of all ATC Flight Plans should include
the comment that the aeroplane is not able to accept a LAHSO clearance and crews
should inform the US ATC that they are "unable to accept LAHSO" on first contact with
relevant frequencies.

[PaulB]

But is what's on the video LAHSO? The A380 was on final for 28R and cleared to land, then another aircraft was cleared to take off on 01R and crossed 28R in front of the 380 while it was still on final.

Would that situation occur in the UK? Picking (say) Gloucester as an example (merely because it has multiple runways and has full ATC) would they clear someone to take off on 36 while someone else was on final for 28 (or is it 27 - not been for a while... sorry, MatsPt3) and cleared to land?

[Skymonster]

That's not a land and hold short... Happens all the time at San Francisco is cleared to land in the 28s and then there's a subsequent clear to take off on the crossing 01s the "assumption" being the departing traffic will have cleared the intersection before the landing traffic rolls out... Remember that in the USA you can also get a clear to land whilst still number two or three on approach...

Andy

[Flintstone]

Well I did say I hadn't watched the video (all that teutonic correctness, gives me the heebies) and quantify the LAHSO suggestion with a '?'.

LAHSO had a trial run in Darwin when I was there sometime in the mid-90's. It was alright to be cleared to land and hold short in (say) a Cessna 402 but I'd be less inclined in something larger. I think they decided to drop it.

Edit: Just ran some of the video, the landing phase, to listen to the radalt callouts and the male voice reminded me of something that came up in a CRM class a few years ago. It seems that the manufacturers of military aircraft thought it might be a good idea to use a female voice to call out cautions, warnings, fires and the like. Which worked fine on fighter pilots who were family men. Others, perhaps more testosterone fuelled, tended to ignore the voice.

[Boing_737]

Also, who knew Magnum PI was an actual person....

[malcolmfrost]

+1
There are also two types of LAHSO, passive and active. passive is where another aircraft is told to land and hold short of your runway, active is where you are told to land and hold short of another runway.
UK aircraft aren't allowed to do either. The passive one is sometimes difficult to spot!

[JoeC]

Others, perhaps more testosterone fuelled, tended to ignore the voice.

"retard, retard"