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Just heard on"t radio that ABU could now sue government--surely even this can"t be true in this unbeleivable patomime.
Like many others I thought that we were voting for freer trade within europe.--we seem to have ended up no longer deciding our own fate and making our own decisions.
Go back 50 years--or even less, and tell someone what"s happening now--my guess is their comment would be "don"t be so ***stupid-how could that happen".
Rog, I defer to no man in my loathing of the EU, its institutions and over-paid, arrogant, undemocratic apparatchiks, but even I cannot blame it for the farce being played out over this.
If it turns out that Theresa May was advised to delay until after 17th, but elected to go ahead anyway for political reasons (eg being seen to take decisive action, without delay), will she go, do we think?
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I doubt she will go, and all the shouting from the opposition, frothing with faux righteous indignation, isn't credible given their own track record in trying to deport this man, so no attempted pressure from them will make her.
On last night's news a letter was produced clearly stating that the time limit started on the day of the judgement. If that is true, then the ECHR seems to have changed its stance somewhat since it was written. There is no wonder confusion abounds, and is one more reason why it is so untrustworthy, and we should walk away from its jurisdiction. Doing so does not mean, as Gerard has already pointed out, that we have to abandon the convention; we simply use our own Supreme Court to pass sensible judgements on it, something the ECHR is increasingly proving itself unable to do.
ROG, surely even you must realise by now that the Strasbourg Court is not an EU institution? We have only been telling you that on every thread here since 1832.
Qatada can make all the threats of legal action that he likes. I still wager that he will be on a flight to Jordan in due course. As for suing, anyone can sue the government for all sorts of things, and many loonies, and crackpots, and gits, and people with good cases, and people with bad cases do so, but suing and winning are two different things.
Gerard, whose money would he use if he goes ahead to sue the Govt?
Would it be one of these no win, no fee efforts or would AQ's generous benefactors (the British taxpayers) foot the bill?
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He might use his own or his supporters' funds. He used to have a lot of cash under his bed, or he did when I encountered him a few years back. The UN froze his assets. I do not know if they are still frozen. A no win no fee deal is quite rare in a public law case, as few claims in that field are much better than fifty fifty. Some of the activist lawyers are sufficiently misguided to work for this idiot pro bono. He might get legal aid. I don't know if he is eligible. If he does, no one will get rich on the proceeds, as legal aid rates are pretty slender, but, yes, we might end up footing the bill. Is that rubbish? Yes, it is, but we have a system (which some of our blokes in sandy places defend with their lives for very rubbish pay), and we have to put up with a certain amount of pish taking, but will get rid of the git in the end. 100 years from now, Islamism will be something in the history books, but the UK and the common law will still be in business. Hang tough, I reckon. It's not a short game, but we are older, bigger, better, wiser and stronger than they are.
Given that its highly likely that his counsel will have worked out her tactics in advance of the previous decision, any chance of a contempt proceeding against her for unnecessarily delaying things? Might act to speed up a few others.
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Huh? How on Earth is the Home Secretary or any of the lawyers or anyone else here in contempt of any court?
Some of you guys watch too much US TV, or credit too much stuff in the meeja. As T always says, please take a few minutes to familiarise yourself with our courts, based on real life ones, not telly or newspaper versions. I have been teaching 15 year olds about our system, and some of the grown ups here could do with taking the "How Brit stuff works 101" course as well.
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It is the intention of Qatada to make people here distrust and resent our own system of doing things. He's a terrorist, and terrorism is not just about bombs and bullets. He wants to create instability, and maybe encourage repressive responses. The worse things get, the better, in the terrorist mind set.
But the fact that AQ is still here, still taking the pish out of us, is clear evidence that we are right to distrust and resent our own system!
.. and by the way, regardless of the skill and bravery of our finest, I'm not convinced that actions in sandy places contribute anything to the defence of the realm..
Only connect! If we let things continue to go all ratshtye in dusty places, then the consequences for us may be grave. Everything joins up. We have allowed crappo regimes to carry on in many hot places, and they have spawned opponents, some of whom now want to have a pop at us as well as the rubbish governments that we have supported and traded with. Altruism is enlightened self-interest, and our own back yard starts closer to our house than we might think.
Compare and contrast Rome, as usual. Century after century of endless bloody warfare at the limits of the Roman world, not because the hairies were intent (yet) on burning Rome, but to make life near Bath calm (you could go for a walk without being armed, and the houses did not have fortifications), and to stop the hairies from ultimately marching on Rome. Eventually, the system broke down, and the hairies did indeed burn Rome, and Bath, and many places besides. Then houses had to have fortifications again, and everyone in what had been peaceful places had to go about armed, for over a 1000 years.
Apologies for triggering your ignoramus filter, but are there really no court sanctions for timewasting?
It just struck me as incredible that - unlike television - Ms Peirce found the basis for an appeal with 2hr to go and managed to communicate that when there could have been no certainty that her email /fax / courier would arrive in time - or at all.
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No, it is clear evidence that you are letting him get to you. Don't give him what he wants.
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