Pilot2b, at Ards you always make a sweep when entering 22, for that very reason. When I started flying there, instructors were insisting on making full 360 before power checks there. Just to see who's out there. Some don't use radios (like microlights) so relying on it to get your situational awareness is not possible. Other's will just squat out something in northern irish, that I can't comprehend, etc.
High wing does make it difficult to see aircraft on finals, that's true. I flew C152 for 20+ hours, and I do remember situations when because of the wing I could not see someone. But luckily they saw me, and were quite a distance away anyway.
Regarding people getting angry or annoyed, what would be your reaction in the following scenario - from whatever perspective:
Aircraft turns final. I see that there's enough time for me to depart before the other aircraft lands - say it doesn't take me long to get airborne. I call immediate departure, taxi on to the runway, power on and depart immediately. Pilot on final gets spooked and instead of carrying on the approach, starts a go-around. Pilot doing go-around thus gets very annoyed that he's been "forced to go around" by some idiot taxying onto the runway and taking off while he's on final.
I think this has happened to me a couple of times (in 16 years!) but not sure if the pilot going around was annoyed or not...I'd just assume he was...though the go-around could have been for other reasons. Think at least once the pilot sounded a little annoyed.
Paul_Sengupta wrote:Regarding people getting angry or annoyed, what would be your reaction in the following scenario - from whatever perspective:
Aircraft turns final. I see that there's enough time for me to depart before the other aircraft lands - say it doesn't take me long to get airborne. I call immediate departure, taxi on to the runway, power on and depart immediately. Pilot on final gets spooked and instead of carrying on the approach, starts a go-around. Pilot doing go-around thus gets very annoyed that he's been "forced to go around" by some idiot taxying onto the runway and taking off while he's on final.
I think this has happened to me a couple of times (in 16 years!) but not sure if the pilot going around was annoyed or not...I'd just assume he was...though the go-around could have been for other reasons. Think at least once the pilot sounded a little annoyed.
So what does the crowd think?
I think there is an old highway code rule that can be applied to this situation. It goes along the lines of if your actions cause another motorist to take avoiding action you have misjudged it.
Either way an apology would probably help keep the peace.
Paul_Sengupta wrote:Aircraft turns final. I see that there's enough time for me to depart before the other aircraft lands - say it doesn't take me long to get airborne. I call immediate departure, taxi on to the runway, power on and depart immediately. Pilot on final gets spooked and instead of carrying on the approach, starts a go-around. Pilot doing go-around thus gets very annoyed that he's been "forced to go around" by some idiot taxying onto the runway and taking off while he's on final.
In my case I didn't see the aircraft on final; I didn't hear it call final (I accept that it probably did); it made no response to my radio calls; it could have landed safely enough anyway except for a local rule along the lines of "if the runway isn't clear by the time you're at 300' you must go around".
kingjame wrote:I think there is an old highway code rule that can be applied to this situation. It goes along the lines of if your actions cause another motorist to take avoiding action you have misjudged it.
It has the same analogy with driving - the other driver didn't *need* to swerve or take avoiding action, it was the overreaction on their part which was the issue. Like pulling out of a junction or roundabout and getting out of the way before the other car would have reached you, yet they still brake or whatever. In some cases it can be down to inexperience or insufficient judgement.
kingjame wrote:Either way an apology would probably help keep the peace.
mick w wrote:It would be very handy , if we knew the experience / capability , of the Pilot ,of every a/c we are possibly conflicting with .
Perhaps forward facing displays on the wings; hours on the left, landings on the right? Cue a discussion about "not about the hours, or landings, but whether you can fly a wing-warping, tail-wheel MEP with rocket assist and a Garmin 1E6"
Paul_Sengupta wrote:Regarding people getting angry or annoyed, what would be your reaction in the following scenario - from whatever perspective:
Aircraft turns final. I see that there's enough time for me to depart before the other aircraft lands - say it doesn't take me long to get airborne. I call immediate departure, taxi on to the runway, power on and depart immediately. Pilot on final gets spooked and instead of carrying on the approach, starts a go-around. Pilot doing go-around thus gets very annoyed that he's been "forced to go around" by some idiot taxying onto the runway and taking off while he's on final.
I think this has happened to me a couple of times (in 16 years!) but not sure if the pilot going around was annoyed or not...I'd just assume he was...though the go-around could have been for other reasons. Think at least once the pilot sounded a little annoyed.
So what does the crowd think?
IMHO if one has to hurry a takeoff in haste because another is on finals, unless there is some compelling safety reason, one should probably wait. Although improbable, don't want to be in a position of needing to abort the takeoff in that situation
Paul_Sengupta wrote:Regarding people getting angry or annoyed, what would be your reaction in the following scenario - from whatever perspective:
Aircraft turns final. I see that there's enough time for me to depart before the other aircraft lands - say it doesn't take me long to get airborne. I call immediate departure, taxi on to the runway, power on and depart immediately. Pilot on final gets spooked and instead of carrying on the approach, starts a go-around. Pilot doing go-around thus gets very annoyed that he's been "forced to go around" by some idiot taxying onto the runway and taking off while he's on final.
I think this has happened to me a couple of times (in 16 years!) but not sure if the pilot going around was annoyed or not...I'd just assume he was...though the go-around could have been for other reasons. Think at least once the pilot sounded a little annoyed.
So what does the crowd think?
Legally, of course, the landing aircraft has right of way...
13 Order of landing (1) An aircraft landing or on its final approach to land shall have the right-of-way over other aircraft in flight or on the ground or water
matspart3 wrote:Legally, of course, the landing aircraft has right of way...
13 Order of landing (1) An aircraft landing or on its final approach to land shall have the right-of-way over other aircraft in flight or on the ground or water
So does a car already on a roundabout or driving along a main road. But that doesn't mean you have to wait for them. If it's safe to pull out and be gone before they get anywhere near you, then you do it.
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