Primarily for general aviation discussion, but other aviation topics are also welcome.
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By GonzoEGLL
#1465710
I'm sure we will stay a non voting member of EASA, and will have to abide by the Regs but will not have any say in how they are formed. This will probably be a condition of us keeping access to the free market.

It's a shame as I've been involved in a few EASA RMGs, and most of my input in the meetings begin with the words; "No, sorry, that doesn't work for the UK, we need xxxx instead/add yyyyy as an alternative." Once we pull out of the EU there won't be anyone saying that in those meetings.

Regardless, over the past years the CAA has lost a lot of competency in many areas, as well as headcount, so short of a doubling of its budget, which lets face it is not going to happen, there's no way we could withdraw from EASA.
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By joe-fbs
#1465711
"...Does this mean I wasted my 700 Eurothingies to pay for my EASA Permit... "

Can I ask for my education please, what was the 700 Euros for? I've arranged two EASA PtF in the last year, they are issued by the UK CAA and the basic fee is IIRC about £150 (twice that if you want it in hurry). Of course before we got to that, stage there were many thousands of pounds and months of work to get the Approved Flight Conditions from Koln but these were for prototypes of new designs (one of them a large and complicated aircraft) so I am guessing that you didn't need that bit. As I say, this is for my education, not any other reason.
By GAFlyer4Fun
#1465713
Irv Lee wrote:You don't have to convince me, but it is on death row now for EASA aircraft, execution date in 2019 without positive reprieve.

Can you elaborate on that? If true, I would not want to be doing an engine overhaul or respray or avionics upgrade on an EASA aircraft if the aircraft was going to be unusable from 2019.
By Boxkite
#1465733
joe-fbs wrote:"...Does this mean I wasted my 700 Eurothingies to pay for my EASA Permit... "

Can I ask for my education please, what was the 700 Euros for? I've arranged two EASA PtF in the last year, they are issued by the UK CAA and the basic fee is IIRC about £150 (twice that if you want it in hurry). Of course before we got to that, stage there were many thousands of pounds and months of work to get the Approved Flight Conditions from Koln but these were for prototypes of new designs (one of them a large and complicated aircraft) so I am guessing that you didn't need that bit. As I say, this is for my education, not any other reason.

John was talking about getting his Gardan on a permit - see his thread on the subject.
By Bathman
#1465736
"If I have to effing rewrite all my effing manuals again Farridge is doing it!"

Well if we adopted the FAA system you wouldn't need any manuals and you would be able to offer IR training.

For zero cost!

How much exactly did it cost you to get your manuals approved? And how much time?
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By Genghis the Engineer
FLYER Club Member  FLYER Club Member
#1465744
G-BLEW wrote:
Highland Park wrote:I will be interested to see what, if any impact it will have on those of us with EASA PPLs...


I don't think it will have any impact - and like 421C, I believe that we will choose to adopt EASA regs.

Ian


I agree with Ian here, but as an issue it's an interesting subset of the whole brexit delusion.

On both sides of the argument, and neutral, there has been a widespread but incorrect belief that leaving the EU will mean also removing the UK from numerous bodies which are either nothing to do with the EU, EU supported but not owned, or are EU originated but also have an existence substantially beyond the EU. EASA's in the last category, and I've seen nothing anywhere showing that CAA or anybody else intended BrEASAxit.

Some might think that's a bad thing - I might even agree with them in some aspects - but it's where we are and are most likely to remain.

G
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By SteveN
#1465775
I would have thought once we have completed Article 50 EASA will legally become another JAA. Advisory and something of a chocolate box CAA can pick the soft centres from as they choose. The old CAA seemed happy to eat the whole box including the wrappers but positive changes have happened now that should prevent that.

Clearly we must retain it for Airbus as that is why it exists but for GA?

I certainly think 8.33 should be scrapped as it is a unnecessary cost for pilots that will swallow funds better used for ADS-B OUT equipage.
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By Genghis the Engineer
FLYER Club Member  FLYER Club Member
#1465778
I have plenty of colleagues in the test flying community in non-EU EASA countries (Switzerland and Norway being the main ones). In many discussions over regulatory issues, it's been clear that there is no difference whatsoever between the nature of their membership and ours, EXCEPT that the UK has a larger, more competent, and more approachable authority than most.

G
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By Paul_Sengupta
FLYER Club Member  FLYER Club Member
#1465784
SteveN wrote:I certainly think 8.33 should be scrapped as it is a unnecessary cost for pilots that will swallow funds better used for ADS-B OUT equipage.


I guess we won't get the EU funding earmarked for the 8.33 upgrade then...

http://www.caa.co.uk/News/CAA-seeks-to-ease-transition-to-new-radios-for-light-aircraft-owners/

http://www.flyer.co.uk/euro-cash-for-8-33-radio-swap/

http://services.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/phpbbforum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4865

https://members.gliding.co.uk/2016/06/17/8-33-funding-update/

Unless we act quickly!
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By Irv Lee
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#1465796
Balliol wrote:I suspect the main thing could be that NPPL and UK PPL use on G Reg EASA types for non commercial use beyond 2018 will get continued.

Well that is something that is not clear. I believe we will stick with EASA beyond EU exit, and of course, whenever we give the 2 year notice on pulling the EU plug, that will go beyone April 8th 2018, and on that date, we will still be full members of the EU subject to EU law.
Now the question really is... (...WOW, I have learned a lot, don't I sound just like those politicians who wouldn't answer audience questions, but changed the question and answered their own?)... On April 8th 2018, could Switzerland and Norway, voluntary members of EASA, decide to allow their local non-easa licences to fly EASA aircraft in their national airspace IF they wanted to do so, and remain part of EASA? I suspect not. If my suspicions are correct, we could not simply say our national licences could fly EASA aircraft after we leave the EU if we stayed in EASA. (Although I can think of a very silly potential solution worthy of a politician who changes the question asked to a question wanted)
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By Irv Lee
FLYER Club Member  FLYER Club Member
#1465798
Paul_Sengupta wrote:
SteveN wrote:I certainly think 8.33 should be scrapped as it is a unnecessary cost for pilots that will swallow funds better used for ADS-B OUT equipage.


I guess we won't get the EU funding earmarked for the 8.33 upgrade then...

http://www.caa.co.uk/News/CAA-seeks-to-ease-transition-to-new-radios-for-light-aircraft-owners/

http://www.flyer.co.uk/euro-cash-for-8-33-radio-swap/

http://services.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/phpbbforum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4865

https://members.gliding.co.uk/2016/06/17/8-33-funding-update/

Unless we act quickly!

Why not? We are full members of the EU (and paying in) to 2 years after giving notice, which is way beyond when 8.33 is required, unless my arithmetic is dodgy.