Thursday 18 December 2014 22:16 UTC
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Just seen the CAA form we need to fill out about our competence in English
I thought this rubbish had been nailed, but no. It appears we have to submit this form to the CAA when we next have a flight with an instructor. Thankfully, we should only have to do this once - but why should we need to ??????
There was a piece on R4's PM program about this. They played a tape of a US controller asking a pilot who spoke hardly any english if he'd been cleared onto the apron. The errant pilot kept taking this as a clearance to enter the apron.
"Negative! Hold your position! This is interrogative! A question! HAVE YOU been cleared onto the apron?"
"OK, I am cleared onto the apron".
Sent from my Bardic lamp held out of the window of a Churnet Valley signal box.
[quote='dweston'] It appears we have to submit this form to the CAA when we next have a flight with an instructor. Thankfully, we should only have to do this once - but why should we need to ??????[/quote]
Just as well you can't go solo until age 16. Most of today's yoof woldn't meet the criteria on the last page, methinks.
Beware of Greeks bearing gilts
[quote='Mike T']The clip played on the radio has been doing the rounds and originates from JFK.
The controller was abysmal.[/quote]
I think I've heard that clip (on youtube, linked form here before) - and I agree with you Mike. He wasn't very sympathetic to the pilot.
[quote='dweston']Just seen the CAA form we need to fill out about our competence in English
I thought this rubbish had been nailed, but no. It appears we have to submit this form to the CAA when we next have a flight with an instructor. Thankfully, we should only have to do this once - but why should we need to ??????[/quote]
Do we need to return Page 2 as well?
I haven't heard that clip but I was up at ScATCC recently and heard a controller, whose English was very clear and easily understood, trying to get a foreign, commercial pilot to readback his next waypoint. The conversation went along these lines: C - Forenair 123 cleared FREDA (fictitious waypoint for this post) Flight level ..... etc ..... P - er.. cleared err ... FEELA etc ... C - Negative, cleared FREDA - Foxtrot Romeo etc ... P - er Foxtrot Echo Romeo Alpha Delta .... C- Negative - repeats waypoint letters clearly and slowly, P - repeats random selection of letters. One or two more attempts were made before he finally got it right. :pale:
[quote='dweston']It appears we have to submit this form to the CAA when we next have a flight with an instructor.[/quote]
I think this needs to be signed by an examiner rather than an instructor so presumably you can get it signed and sent off next time you are getting your 2-year sign off done. Once done.... it is done!
I wonder when these replacement sheets for the licences are going to turn up!
Quite. I heard that clip ages ago and wanted the slap the man.
I thought confusion like that was the whole reason for using things like "departure" instead of "takeoff" and "remain outside controlled airspace" rather than "remain clear of..."
Am I missing something?
"Let's go flying"
Scribblings of a novice PPL
I rang the Belgrano FCL today: They are issuing all old PPL holders with grandfather rights sustificates to the level 4. It will take several weeks to get them out. If you need one urgently, bell 'em and they'll send you one.
All newly issued licences get issued with a level 6 if the examiner has filled in the appropriate box.
At the moment none of the examiners are trained in language proficiency and there is no CAA/JAA/EASA list of approved examiners/language schools for those that get level3. So the signing of the form referred to above will be a joke.
The level 4 will have to be renewed after three years so that gives everybody the time to have the examiner at their next flight review to sign the form so a one and only level 6 can be issued and that's an end to it.
more bleedin bureaucracy but the level4 which will arrive soon is not charged AIUI.A level 4 is all you need and actual level is not marked in licence.
Still doesn't answer the FAA/piggyback conundrum: I'm saving that one up for later.
Primum non nocere..
When I was flying in Scotland with 2Ds the Scottish controller couldn't understand my pronunciation of the reporting point BRUCE and I had to spell it out phonetically. Perhaps I should have said 'G'day, Bruce'?
And I have a piece of paper to say I can speak proper!
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Not unless the Instructor is also an Examiner who has himself been assessed as Level 6
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1688/Language ... miners.pdf
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